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    Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    Hi Guys,

    I have the above speakers and a pair of replica A7 cabs made from very good grade plywood to the factory plans.
    I have a pair of 811B horns....

    My question is about the X-Over frequency - should I go for 800 cycles or 1200 cycles?

    If I buy a pair of 511bs will I be able to use the 902s at 500 cycles?
    I have a brand new pair of GPA's replacement diaphragms installed in the 902s

    Thanks

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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    O.K I have learnt a bit from the Altec literature that I found.

    I see that my confusion is all centred around a 'loading cap' that I need to install in order to use the 902-8A at 800 or 500 cycles.

    It looks to be a plastic or phenolic cap that is inserted before the outer cap.

    Are these avialable is the next question - I will check with GPA.

    Winders

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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    What is your intended application?

    Do your 902's have 7/8 or 1 inch throats?

    Which "factory plans" were your cabinets built to?

    More specific information should get you more responses.

    Personally, with that driver combination my suggestion is to forget about a passive network and actively bi-amp. To my ears the 902 sounds "strained" when pushed much below a 1khz XO point, your mileage may vary.
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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowtie427ss View Post
    What is your intended application?

    Do your 902's have 7/8 or 1 inch throats?

    Which "factory plans" were your cabinets built to?

    More specific information should get you more responses.

    Personally, with that driver combination my suggestion is to forget about a passive network and actively bi-amp. To my ears the 902 sounds "strained" when pushed much below a 1khz XO point, your mileage may vary.
    Intended aplication - Domestic Audio system.

    Plans for LF Cab - Altec Lansing as attached.

    Yes that is the sort of info I am also looking for - users experiences with 1200/800/500 cycle crossovers using the 902 (with/without loading cap).
    I have not used/setup a VOT system yet so I am looking for advice from folks that have been there and done that.

    At this moment in time I have no loading caps so I am steering towards the 1200 cycle X-Over point.

    Winders

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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    I second the 1200 choice.

    And if I could add a vote for biamping...biamped systems just sound better to me, yer mileage may vary. ..and all that stuff...

    It's a lot more hassle though.
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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    I'm not sure I agree with your thoughts on loading caps.

    I believe they were designed for higher output applications like movie houses. In a home hi-fi application, they are not really necessary, and for that reason are often not used by these folks. Loading caps are not rare, so you could experiment with and without to see what you prefer.

    Since you probably have the home hi-fi 902 diaphragms from GPA, I would assume you would like the drivers without loading caps.

    Most factory applications using these components were crossed at 800 but many folks like the higher x-over point. I believe the venerable Model 19 was crossed at 1200 and many consider this the hallmark of Altec home application systems.

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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Guy View Post
    I second the 1200 choice.

    And if I could add a vote for biamping...biamped systems just sound better to me, yer mileage may vary. ..and all that stuff...

    It's a lot more hassle though.
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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winders View Post
    - users experiences with 1200/800/500 cycle crossovers using the 902 (with/without loading cap)...
    Not suggesting over the M19 xover suggestions, and no knowledge of how they relate electrically, but if desiring selectable, in order to adjust to taste, you may want to research / purchase one of the N-1285 series...

    e.g.

    http://www.altecpro.com/pdfs/vintage...%20Network.pdf

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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    In the pic, above, could the 7/8ths inch exit hole have been produced by inserting a 1/16th inch thick sleeve into a normal 1 inch exit hole?
    If so, could the sleeve be readily removed?

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    Re: Altec 902 and 416-8C - X-Over freq?

    Quote Originally Posted by gearfreak View Post
    Not suggesting over the M19 xover suggestions, and no knowledge of how they relate electrically, but if desiring selectable, in order to adjust to taste, you may want to research / purchase one of the N-1285 series...

    e.g.

    http://www.altecpro.com/pdfs/vintage...%20Network.pdf
    I think this is an excellent idea.

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